Curse

TPike · Feb 27, 2008, 10:15 AM // 10:15

I'm a relatively new player.

My current char I've gotten to lvl20.

Curently using all fire skills except for energy mgt.

As a primary weapon I've been using a blue 11-22 fire wand with inscrip & a purple flame artifact in my off hand.

This gives about 19 extra energy and 9 extra armor together.

If I use a blue fire staff the extra energy goes down to about 15.

I also use the spell that increases damage by fire weapons by 20.

From a guildie I just got a green Lightning staff & another green staff I cant recall that deals chaos damage (req 9 energy storage). (2K gold each)

It seems like the most powerful combination is still a blue fire wand with the spell to increase it's damage.

Did I just waste money buying those green weaps?

Should I be looking to buy a green or gold fire wand so I can keep the +9 energy in the off hand? Staffs don't seem like a very good trade-off at all.

The weapons you get from collectors aren't maxxed are they?

I guess what I want to know is other than buying a 100K weapon what are the best options for me? I don't have a lot of money.

(Sorry I can't give names for weaps or skills, can't access wiki from work)

Stormlord Alex · Feb 27, 2008, 10:27 AM // 10:27

Buy a 20/20 wand and a 20/20 focus for Fire Magic.
It is the best weapon set for a PvE ele, allowing you to fire off more spells faster than any other combination. You can craft them for 5k + mats from either this dude or this dudette.

Oh, and for the spell that increases damage, Conjure Flame? I'd recommend dropping it. The damage from wanding isn't of any importance, and wasting a skill on it when you could take a more useful spell instead is 'myeh' at best.
Especially when you get a good Elite to base a good build, you really won't spend much time at all wanding things.

jonnieboi05 · Feb 27, 2008, 10:27 AM // 10:27

well, just thought i'd give my input. but, it's time to upgrade. offhands are 'sposed to give +12 energy, not +9. ^^

TPike · Feb 27, 2008, 10:36 AM // 10:36

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

well, just thought i'd give my input. but, it's time to upgrade. offhands are 'sposed to give +12 energy, not +9. ^^

:smack head:

Would I be better off with the Green staff & chaos damage then? Keeping points in Fire for my spells.

If I use the Lightning one I'd have to switch points into Air.

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Buy a 20/20 wand and a 20/20 focus for Fire Magic.
It is the best weapon set for a PvE ele, allowing you to fire off more spells faster than any other combination. You can craft them for 5k + mats from either this dude or this dudette.

Oh, and for the spell that increases damage, Conjure Flame? I'd recommend dropping it. The damage from wanding isn't of any importance, and wasting a skill on it when you could take a more useful spell instead is 'myeh' at best.
Especially when you get a good Elite to base a good build, you really won't spend much time at all wanding things.

Ill check wiki when I get home to see if I can access those NPCs, Thanks.

Stormlord Alex · Feb 27, 2008, 10:39 AM // 10:39

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Originally Posted by TPike

Would I be better off with the Green staff & chaos damage then? Keeping points in Fire for my spells.

If it's maxed, then it might be an idea untill you haul your ass down to the Leviathan Pits/Vasburg Armory for some real weapons

TPike · Feb 27, 2008, 11:03 AM // 11:03

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

If it's maxed, then it might be an idea untill you haul your ass down to the Leviathan Pits/Vasburg Armory for some real weapons

Never even HEARD of those places - Prophecies?

I'm pretty far through Nightfall ( I think 1 Vabbi quest left) and just started EotN. The won't even sell me weaps yet in EotN.

I also have factions but the char isn't very far along.

I've NEVER been to the Underworld but can access it and have a scroll. Can I go down there just to buy weaps?

Cebe · Feb 27, 2008, 11:04 AM // 11:04

In my opinion, you should consider looking into 3 weapon sets:

1. As Alex says: a 20/20 Wand and a 20/20 offhand. - for general use.

2. A staff with Double HCT and an Enchanting modifier. - When you rely on a few enchantments.

3. A staff with +60HP. - A +HP set for in case you start to rack up death penalty.

Don't worry about using a weapon set which causes your energy to decrease. Energy Storage makes that not matter...who cares if your energy falls from 85 to 70 because you switched weapons? Also, if you're using fire magic, you dont really want to be using an Air staff (the one you describe does lightning damage).

Energy Storage staves can be good all-round staves and doesn't matter too much if you switch elements...They're also ok if you don't have much money and want a staff-for-all-occaisions, so if you want to invest in Energy Storage staves I'd suggest the following mods:

If you're wanting to play mainly Fire Magic however, I'd stick with getting more specialised Fire Magic weapons, instead of general E-Storage ones. Begin by getting the 40/40 set Alex suggests...then go from there.

I noticed there is a collector for Putrid Cysts in the Marketplace. I think I have 5 somewhere so if you want a free collector fire staff whisper me.

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Originally Posted by TPike

I've NEVER been to the Underworld but can access it and have a scroll. Can I go down there just to buy weaps?

You can't buy weapons from the underworld.

jonnieboi05 · Feb 27, 2008, 11:04 AM // 11:04

the towns he mentioned are the end-towns for factions on both the luxon side and kuzick sides.

leviathan pits.......= luxon.. (where 15k luxon armor is located)
vasburg armory... = kurzick (where 15k kurzick armor is located)

Stormlord Alex · Feb 27, 2008, 11:05 AM // 11:05

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Originally Posted by TPike

Never even HEARD of those places - Prophecies?

I'm pretty far through Nightfall ( I think 1 Vabbi quest left) and just started EotN. The won't even sell me weaps yet in EotN.

I also have factions but the char isn't very far along.

I've NEVER been to the Underworld but can access it and have a scroll. Can I go down there just to buy weaps?

Leviathan Pits and Vasburg are located nearer the end of the Factions campaign - if you give a guildie the materials and gold, I'm sure he'd be happy to craft them for you.

Mouse at Large · Feb 27, 2008, 11:10 AM // 11:10

Can't argue with the advice so far in NM PvE. I did virtually all of it with a Hale Fire Staff of Enchanting.

For HM using a MB bar, I'd suggest a high energy set (one with at least one 15/-1 item).

Just my 2c

jonnieboi05 · Feb 27, 2008, 11:17 AM // 11:17

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Originally Posted by Mouse at Large

...I'd suggest a high energy set (one with at least one 15/-1 item)...

imo, +15/-1 is horrible for pve. the -1 hurts more than you know.

CandyPrince · Feb 27, 2008, 11:17 AM // 11:17

You really need a staff with max enchanting mod as an ele. Energy management is critical and most of that is done with enchants. Having said that a good mix of weapons doesn't hurt depending upon builds etc. I personally just carry a insightful staff of enchanting (zodiac, not that that matters!) and never tend to struggle with energy management. I equip ragos on Zhed as well which is probably the best fire green still.

Cebe · Feb 27, 2008, 11:19 AM // 11:19

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

imo, +15/-1 is horrible for pve. the -1 hurts more than you know.

Only time I would consider using a +15/-1 set on an Ele would be if I were in Hard Mode, and there were many other Eles around, and I was using Mind Blast...and then it would only be a set to switch to if I needed to try to re-gain energy off an enemy Ele. I don't like them either, and I wouldn't really suggest that a newbie uses them.

jonnieboi05 · Feb 27, 2008, 11:25 AM // 11:25

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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

Only time I would consider using a +15/-1 set on an Ele would be if I were in Hard Mode, and there were many other Eles around, and I was using Mind Blast...and then it would only be a set to switch to if I needed to try to re-gain energy off an enemy Ele. I don't like them either, and I wouldn't really suggest that a newbie uses them.

yea, i shoulda said "fighting on a +15/-1 is horribly bad" rather than "+15/-1 hurts more than you know". my mistake :P

anyways, when i monk in pvp, i heal on my low set (45 energy), and when times get sketchy (which is rare, but does happen from time to time), i switch to my normal energy set (57 energy), and rarely... and my god i mean RARELY (in my entire GW career of 24+ months, i've had to use my high set MAYBE 5-7 times), if the other team was so good to the point where they absolutely force me to switch to my high set (74 energy), THEN that is when +15/-1 has it's uses.

Mouse at Large · Feb 27, 2008, 12:01 PM // 12:01

Goodness gracious me - such debate on a partial quote taken out of context

I specifically said a high energy set should be considered for a MB bar in HM.........

Pace

TPike · Feb 27, 2008, 12:30 PM // 12:30

Thank you for all the replies and advice.

Using your replies I'll be using the wand mentioned below as Kit 1 and Kit 2 is Magmus' Staff http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Magmus%27_Staff (cost me 2K good deal?)

Last question on weapon sets but I'll don my nomex suit first.

My current 2ndry is Necro I do have a necro elite but don't use it.

I just started playing EotN and the reward for my next match is brass knuckles with a 7 dagg req.

Since I don't use my 2nd proff now should I switch it to Assassin so if I fight Dwarven missions I can put all my points in dagger and use the upgraded knuckles?

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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

I noticed there is a collector for Putrid Cysts in the Marketplace. I think I have 5 somewhere so if you want a free collector fire staff whisper me.

You can't buy weapons from the underworld.

Thanks for the generous offer.

I happen to have 5 cysts saved, in case someone said this was a good weapon to get.

Off to the marketplace.

EDIT: Picked up above.

Cebe · Feb 27, 2008, 12:43 PM // 12:43

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Originally Posted by TPike

Since I don't use my 2nd proff now should I switch it to Assassin so if I fight Dwarven missions I can put all my points in dagger and use the upgraded knuckles?

If you want to play Assassin, make an Assassin.

Elementalists aren't made for hand-to-hand combat.

payne · Feb 27, 2008, 01:08 PM // 13:08

or if your tight for cash get Alem's remedy lol, two handed staff - decent mods good energy boost...only cost about 2k xD

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If you want to play Assassin, make an Assassin.

Elementalists aren't made for hand-to-hand combat.

ride the lightning RA spiker :P

TPike · Feb 27, 2008, 01:11 PM // 13:11

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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

If you want to play Assassin, make an Assassin.

Elementalists aren't made for hand-to-hand combat.

Have you played EotN ?

You HAVE to fight bare knuckled.

You get regular brass knuckles but after 3-4 wins you earn a special pair to use.

I would only use them on missions where I HAVE to fight hand-to-hand.

payne · Feb 27, 2008, 01:13 PM // 13:13

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Originally Posted by TPike

Have you played EotN ?

You HAVE to fight bare knuckled.

You get regular brass knuckles but after 3-4 wins you earn a special pair to use.

I would only use them on missions where I HAVE to fight hand-to-hand.

just equip them...you don't need 'sin 2ndry, all you need is to equip them no attribute points req. just slap them on and do the quests nothing special to them!